Daf 13b
אִי רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן מַאי אִירְיָא טְבִילַת אֶצְבַּע הָאָמַר
לָא הָא רַבָּנַן הָא רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן
לֵימָא כְּתַנָּאֵי דְּתָנֵי חֲדָא טְבִילַת אֶצְבַּע מְפַגֶּלֶת בְּחַטָּאת וְתַנְיָא אִידַּךְ לֹא מְפַגֶּלֶת וְלֹא מִתְפַּגֶּלֶת מַאי לָאו תַּנָּאֵי הִיא
לָא לְעוֹלָם דְּדָמֵי לְקַבָּלָה וּדְקָאָמְרַתְּ הָכָא מִמֵּילָא הָתָם אִיהוּ קָא שָׁקֵיל וְיָהֵיב כֵּיוָן דְּאִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי מַתַּן כְּלִי הוּא מָה לִי מִמֵּילָא מָה לִי קָא שָׁקֵיל וְיָהֵיב
אֶלָּא כֵּיוָן דְּלָא סַגִּי דְּלָא יָהֵיב עַל כֻּרְחֵיהּ עֲבוֹדָה חֲשׁוּבָה הִיא הָכָא נָמֵי כֵּיוָן דְּלָא סַגִּי דְּלָא עָבֵיד לַהּ עַל כֻּרְחֵיהּ הַיְינוּ הוֹלָכָה
אִילֵּימָא דְּדָמֵי לְקַבָּלָה מִי דָּמֵי הָתָם מִמֵּילָא הָכָא אִיהוּ קָא שָׁקֵיל וְרָמֵי
בִּשְׁלָמָא קוֹמֵץ הַיְינוּ שׁוֹחֵט מוֹלִיךְ הַיְינוּ מוֹלִיךְ מַקְטִיר נָמֵי הַיְינוּ זוֹרֵק אֶלָּא נוֹתֵן בִּכְלִי מַאי נִיהוּ
אָמַר רַב מָרִי אַף אֲנַן נָמֵי תְּנֵינָא זֶה הַכְּלָל כָּל הַקּוֹמֵץ וְנוֹתֵן בִּכְלִי וְהַמּוֹלִיךְ וְהַמַּקְטִיר
הָכָא נָמֵי דָּבָר הַפּוֹסֵל בָּהּ מוֹצִיא מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל דָּבָר הַמְעַכֵּב בָּהּ מְבִיאָה לִידֵי פִּיגּוּל
אֶלָּא מַאי אִית לָךְ לְמֵימַר דָּבָר הַפּוֹסֵל בָּהֶן מוֹצִיאָם מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל דָּבָר הַמְעַכֵּב בָּהֶן מְבִיאָן לִידֵי פִּיגּוּל
אֲמַר לֵיהּ הָהוּא מֵרַבָּנַן לְרָבָא וּשְׁפִיכַת שִׁירַיִם וְהַקְטָרַת אֵימוּרִין לָא פָּסְלָה בְּהוּ מַחְשָׁבָה
אָמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה מִצִּדַּהּ תְּבָרַאּ מָה לְחוּץ לִמְקוֹמוֹ הַפּוֹסֵל בִּשְׁלָמִים שֶׁכֵּן נוֹהֵג בְּכָל הַזְּבָחִים תֹּאמַר בְּשֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמוֹ שֶׁאֵינוֹ נוֹהֵג אֶלָּא בְּפֶסַח וְחַטָּאת בִּלְבַד
אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי חֲנִינָא אִין הַכֹּל מִשְּׁלָמִים לָמְדוּ הוֹאִיל וְחוּץ לִמְקוֹמוֹ פּוֹסֵל בִּשְׁלָמִים וְשֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמוֹ פּוֹסֵל בְּחַטָּאת מָה חוּץ לִמְקוֹמוֹ הַפּוֹסֵל בִּשְׁלָמִים מוֹצִיא מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל אַף שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמוֹ הַפּוֹסֵל בְּחַטָּאת מוֹצִיאָהּ מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל
וְכִי הַכֹּל מִשְּׁלָמִים לָמְדוּ אִי מָה שְׁלָמִים שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָן אֵין מוֹצִיא מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל אַף חַטָּאת שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָהּ אֵין מוֹצִיא מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל
אָמַר רַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי בַּעֲלִיָּה זוֹ שָׁמַעְתִּי שֶׁטְּבִילַת אֶצְבַּע מְפַגֶּלֶת תָּהֵי בַּהּ רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָקִישׁ כְּלוּם לָמְדוּ פִּיגּוּל אֶלָּא מִשְּׁלָמִים מָה שְׁלָמִים אֵין טְבִילַת אֶצְבַּע מְפַגֶּלֶת בָּהֶן אַף חַטָּאת אֵין טְבִילַת אֶצְבַּע מְפַגֶּלֶת בָּהֶ(ן)
אֶלָּא מַאי אִית לָךְ לְמֵימַר מֵרִבּוּיָא דִּקְרָאֵי קָאָתְיָא הָכָא נָמֵי מֵרִבּוּיָא דִּקְרָא קָאָתֵי
וְכִי הַכֹּל מִשְּׁלָמִים לָמְדוּ אִי מָה שְׁלָמִים שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָן אֵין מוֹצִיא מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל אַף חַטָּאת שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָהּ אֵין מוֹצִיא מִידֵי פִּיגּוּל
שַׁמְעַהּ אִילְפָא אַמְרַהּ קַמֵּיהּ דְּרַב פְּדָא אֲמַר כְּלוּם לָמַדְנוּ פִּיגּוּל אֶלָּא מִשְּׁלָמִים מָה שְׁלָמִים אֵין טְבִילַת אֶצְבַּע מְפַגֶּלֶת בָּהֶן אַף חַטָּאת אֵין טְבִילַת אֶצְבַּע מְפַגֶּלֶת בָּהֶ(ן)
אָמַר רַבִּי יְהוּדָה בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי חִיָּיא שָׁמַעְתִּי שֶׁטְּבִילַת אֶצְבַּע מְפַגֶּלֶת בְּחַטָּאת פְּנִימִית
לָא קַשְׁיָא הָא דְּאָמַר הֲרֵינִי זוֹרֵק עַל מְנָת לִשְׁפּוֹךְ שִׁירַיִם לְמָחָר הָא דְּאָמַר הֲרֵינִי שׁוֹפֵךְ שִׁירַיִם עַל מְנָת לְהַקְטִיר אֵימוּרִין לְמָחָר
וְהָתְנַן יָכוֹל לֹא תְּהֵא מַחְשָׁבָה מוֹעֶלֶת אֶלָּא בַּאֲכִילַת בָּשָׂר מִנַּיִן לְרַבּוֹת שְׁפִיכַת שִׁירַיִם וְהַקְטָרַת אֵימוּרִים תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר וְאִם הֵאָכֹל יֵאָכֵל בִּשְׁתֵּי אֲכִילוֹת הַכָּתוּב מְדַבֵּר אַחַת אֲכִילַת אָדָם וְאַחַת אֲכִילַת מִזְבֵּחַ
אֶלָּא לָא קַשְׁיָא הָא דְּאָמַר הֲרֵינִי שׁוֹחֵט עַל מְנָת לְקַבֵּל דָּמָהּ לְמָחָר הָא דְּאָמַר הֲרֵינִי מְקַבֵּל דָּמָהּ עַל מְנָת לִשְׁפּוֹךְ שִׁירַיִם לְמָחָר
There is no difficulty: (1) In the one case it means that he declared, ‘Lo, I slaughter [this sacrifice] with the intention of receiving its blood to-morrow while in the other case it means that he declared, ‘Lo, I receive the blood with the intention of pouring out its residue to-morrow’. (2) One of the Rabbis said to Raba: Now does not intention disqualify at the pouring out of the residue and the burning of the emurim? Yet surely it was taught: You might think that intention is effective only in connection with the eating of the flesh. Whence do we know to include the pouring out of the residue and the burning of the emurim? From the text, And if [any of the flesh. . .] be at all eaten [on the third day... it shall be an abhorred thing]: (3) Scripture refers to two eatings, viz., eating by man and eating by the altar. (4) There is no difficulty:’ In the one case he declares, ‘Lo, I sprinkle [the blood] with the intention of pouring out the residue to-morrow’; (5) in the other he declares, ‘Lo, I pour out the residue with the intention of burning the emurim tomorrow. (6) R. Judah the son of R. Hiyya said: I have heard that the dipping of the finger [in the blood] (7) renders [a sacrifice] Piggul in the case of an inner sin-offering. (8) Ilfa heard this and reported it before Bar Padda. Said he: Do we learn Piggul from ought else but from a peace-offering? (9) Then as the dipping of the finger does not render a peace-offering piggul, (10) so in the case of a sin-offering too, the dipping of the finger does not render Piggul. But do we really learn everything from a peace-offering? If so, [then reason thus:] as [a service] in the name of a different sacrifice does not free a peace-offering from Piggul, so [a service] in the name of a different sacrifice does not free a sin-offering from piggul. (11) What then can you say? That it is deduced from the extension implied in Scriptural texts; (12) and so here too it is deduced from the extension implied in the Scriptural texts. (13) R. Joshua b. Levi said: In this upper chamber I heard that the dipping of the finger renders Piggul. Thereat R. Simeon b. Lakish wondered: Do we learn Piggul from ought else but from the peace-offering? Then as the dipping of the finger does not render the peace-offering Piggul, so in the case of the sin-offering too, the dipping of the finger does not render it Piggul. But do we then really learn everything from the peace-offering? If so, [then reason thus: ] as [a service] in the name of a different sacrifice does not free a peace-offering from Piggul, so [a service] in the name of a different sacrifice does not free a sin-offering from Piggul? — Said R. Jose b. Hanina: Yes, indeed, we really learn everything from the peace-offering: since [the intention to consume it] without its precincts disqualifies a peace-offering, while [performing a service] for the sake of something else disqualifies a sin-offering, then as [the intention to consume it] without its precincts, which disqualifies the peaceoffering, frees it from Piggul, so [performing a service] for the sake of something else, which disqualifies the sin-offering, frees it from Piggul. R. Jeremiah observed: The refutation [of this analogy] is at its side. (14) As for [the intention of consuming it] without its precincts, which disqualifies a peace-offering, [it frees it from Piggul] because it operates [as a disqualification] in all sacrifices; will you say [the same of performing a service] for the sake of something else, which operates in the case of the Passover-offering and the sinoffering only? Rather, what must you say? (15) That that which disqualifies it [a peaceoffering] frees it from Piggul, while that which is indispensable for it renders it piggul; (16) so here too that which disqualifies it [the sin-offering] frees it from Piggul, while that which is indispensable to it (17) renders it piggul. (18) R. Mari said, We too have learned likewise: This is the general principle: Whoever takes the fistful [of the meal-offering], places it in the utensil, carries it [to the altar] or burns it [thereon] [renders it Piggul]. (19) Now as for taking the fistful, it is well [that this effects Piggul, as] it corresponds to slaughtering; carrying [the fistful] corresponds to carrying [the blood]; burning [it] corresponds to sprinkling. But to what does putting [the fistful] into a utensil correspond? Shall we say that it is similar to receiving: is it then similar? There it is automatic, (20) whereas here he takes it himself and places it [in the utensil]. But since you cannot dispense with placing it [in the utensil], (21) you must say that it is an important service; (22) so here too, since one cannot dispense with it (23) you must say that it is [part of] carrying [the blood to the altar]! — No: in truth it is similar to receiving, and as to your objection: There it is automatic whereas here he takes it himself and places it [in the utensil, the answer is:] since both are [instances of] placing in a utensil, what does it matter whether it is automatic or whether he personally takes and places it [there]? Shall we say that it is a controversy of Tannaim? (24) For one [Baraitha] taught: The dipping of the finger renders a sin-offering Piggul; while another taught: It does not affect Piggul, nor does it become piggul. (25) Surely then it is a controversy of Tannaim! — No: one agrees with our Rabbis and the other agrees with R. Simeon. (26) If R. Simeon, why particularly the dipping of the finger? Surely he said,
(1). ↑ So Rashi. Cur. edd.: ‘Rather (answer thus)’.
(2). ↑ Both may be styled intentions of Piggul at the receiving of the blood, yet they are obviously different intentions; the former does not disqualify the sacrifice, whereas the latter does.
(3). ↑ The emphatic ‘be at all eaten’ is expressed in the original by doubling the verb, which in Talmudic exegesis denotes extension.
(4). ↑ Sprinkling the blood and pouring out its residue at the foot of the altar are regarded as the eating of the altar. Thus in connection with these too, an illegitimate intention renders the sacrifice Piggul, which contradicts the previous statement.
(5). ↑ Then the sacrifice becomes Piggul, since it was his intention to give the altar its food on the morrow, which is after its appointed time.
(6). ↑ This does not render it Piggul, since the wrongful intention was not at one of the four services.
(7). ↑ V. Lev, IV, 6: And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood, etc.
(8). ↑ One sacrificed at the inner altar. If he dipped his finger in the blood with the intention of burning the emurim the next day, the sacrifice becomes Piggul.
(9). ↑ The law of Piggul is expressly written only in connection with the peace-offering, whence we extend the law to other sacrifices.
(10). ↑ Since there is no dipping of the finger in the case of a peace-offering, the blood being dashed on the altar direct from the utensil. Since it is not a statutory service, it cannot render the sacrifice Piggul even if it is done.
(11). ↑ It is stated infra 28b that if a sacrifice is slaughtered with the intention of consuming it after its prescribed period, which renders it Piggul, it remains Piggul only if the subsequent services (receiving, carrying and sprinkling), which are technically designated the mattirin (q.v. Glos) are performed without any other intention which would disqualify it in any case. Now if one slaughtered a peace-offering with the intention of consuming it after its prescribed period, thus rendering it Piggul, and then performed the subsequent services in the name of a different sacrifice, it remains Piggul, since this change of name does not disqualify a peace-offering. A sinoffering in like circumstances ceases to be Piggul, since change of name does disqualify it, (Though the flesh of course remains forbidden, it is not forbidden as Piggul, so that eating it does not render one liable to kareth.) But if Piggul of other sacrifices were completely analogous to Piggul of a peace-offering, as Bar Padda's objection implies, then the sin-offering too should not be free from Piggul.
(12). ↑ The extension of Piggul to other sacrifices is effected not by analogy with the peace-offering, but from extending particles in the text; hence the conditions of freeing it from Piggul need not be the same. By the same reasoning the conditions for making it Piggul need not be the same.
(13). ↑ Hence though there is no Piggul at the dipping of the finger in the case of the peace-offering, there is in the case of the sin-offering.
(14). ↑ Obvious and inherent.
(15). ↑ If you insist on retaining a complete analogy with the sin-offering.
(16). ↑ If performed with a Piggul intention.
(17). ↑ Which excludes the dipping of the finger.
(18). ↑ Thus the analogy is complete in its principles, though the detailed application of these principles varies according to the individual laws of the various sacrifices.
(19). ↑ If he performs one of these services with the intention of consuming the rest or burning the fistful on the morrow. — The burning of the fistful corresponds to the sprinkling of the blood of an animal sacrifice.
(20). ↑ It naturally drops into the basin.
(21). ↑ I.e., it is a necessary part of the service.
(22). ↑ It is a definite service in that an illegitimate intention thereat effects Piggul.
(23). ↑ Sc. the dipping of the finger.
(24). ↑ Whether it is analogous to receiving the blood or to carrying the blood.
(25). ↑ It does not affect Piggul, if the priest dipped his finger with the intention of burning the emurim the next day; and it does not become Piggul, if he slaughtered or received the blood with the intention of dipping the finger on the morrow.
(26). ↑ All agree that it is part of carrying, but the ruling that it does not render it Piggul is in accordance with R. Simeon in our Mishnah that there can be no Piggul at the carrying.
(1). ↑ So Rashi. Cur. edd.: ‘Rather (answer thus)’.
(2). ↑ Both may be styled intentions of Piggul at the receiving of the blood, yet they are obviously different intentions; the former does not disqualify the sacrifice, whereas the latter does.
(3). ↑ The emphatic ‘be at all eaten’ is expressed in the original by doubling the verb, which in Talmudic exegesis denotes extension.
(4). ↑ Sprinkling the blood and pouring out its residue at the foot of the altar are regarded as the eating of the altar. Thus in connection with these too, an illegitimate intention renders the sacrifice Piggul, which contradicts the previous statement.
(5). ↑ Then the sacrifice becomes Piggul, since it was his intention to give the altar its food on the morrow, which is after its appointed time.
(6). ↑ This does not render it Piggul, since the wrongful intention was not at one of the four services.
(7). ↑ V. Lev, IV, 6: And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood, etc.
(8). ↑ One sacrificed at the inner altar. If he dipped his finger in the blood with the intention of burning the emurim the next day, the sacrifice becomes Piggul.
(9). ↑ The law of Piggul is expressly written only in connection with the peace-offering, whence we extend the law to other sacrifices.
(10). ↑ Since there is no dipping of the finger in the case of a peace-offering, the blood being dashed on the altar direct from the utensil. Since it is not a statutory service, it cannot render the sacrifice Piggul even if it is done.
(11). ↑ It is stated infra 28b that if a sacrifice is slaughtered with the intention of consuming it after its prescribed period, which renders it Piggul, it remains Piggul only if the subsequent services (receiving, carrying and sprinkling), which are technically designated the mattirin (q.v. Glos) are performed without any other intention which would disqualify it in any case. Now if one slaughtered a peace-offering with the intention of consuming it after its prescribed period, thus rendering it Piggul, and then performed the subsequent services in the name of a different sacrifice, it remains Piggul, since this change of name does not disqualify a peace-offering. A sinoffering in like circumstances ceases to be Piggul, since change of name does disqualify it, (Though the flesh of course remains forbidden, it is not forbidden as Piggul, so that eating it does not render one liable to kareth.) But if Piggul of other sacrifices were completely analogous to Piggul of a peace-offering, as Bar Padda's objection implies, then the sin-offering too should not be free from Piggul.
(12). ↑ The extension of Piggul to other sacrifices is effected not by analogy with the peace-offering, but from extending particles in the text; hence the conditions of freeing it from Piggul need not be the same. By the same reasoning the conditions for making it Piggul need not be the same.
(13). ↑ Hence though there is no Piggul at the dipping of the finger in the case of the peace-offering, there is in the case of the sin-offering.
(14). ↑ Obvious and inherent.
(15). ↑ If you insist on retaining a complete analogy with the sin-offering.
(16). ↑ If performed with a Piggul intention.
(17). ↑ Which excludes the dipping of the finger.
(18). ↑ Thus the analogy is complete in its principles, though the detailed application of these principles varies according to the individual laws of the various sacrifices.
(19). ↑ If he performs one of these services with the intention of consuming the rest or burning the fistful on the morrow. — The burning of the fistful corresponds to the sprinkling of the blood of an animal sacrifice.
(20). ↑ It naturally drops into the basin.
(21). ↑ I.e., it is a necessary part of the service.
(22). ↑ It is a definite service in that an illegitimate intention thereat effects Piggul.
(23). ↑ Sc. the dipping of the finger.
(24). ↑ Whether it is analogous to receiving the blood or to carrying the blood.
(25). ↑ It does not affect Piggul, if the priest dipped his finger with the intention of burning the emurim the next day; and it does not become Piggul, if he slaughtered or received the blood with the intention of dipping the finger on the morrow.
(26). ↑ All agree that it is part of carrying, but the ruling that it does not render it Piggul is in accordance with R. Simeon in our Mishnah that there can be no Piggul at the carrying.
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